In this week’s episode, Kelli gives an overview of the new nighttime holiday event at Disney’s Hollywood Studios – Jollywood Nights, and Chris shares 7 secrets you don’t know about Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas.
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Show Notes:
Chris and Kelli discussed updates and innovations in Disney parks, including price hikes, new content hub on TikTok, and refurbishments of restaurants. They also shared their thoughts on the new nighttime event at Hollywood Studios called Jingle Bell Jingle Bam, with Kelli expressing excitement about the event’s Latin-inspired decor and food options, while Chris raised concerns about the event’s inclusivity and the price of food. Additionally, they discussed the 30th anniversary of the movie
Outline
Disney news, including donations, price increases, and partnerships.
- Chris and Kelli introduce themselves and the podcast, discussing their enthusiasm for Disney and their listeners.
- They mention downloads from various locations, including Champaign, Illinois, Blaine, Minnesota, Kansas City, Kansas, and Bournemouth, England, and share interesting facts about each location.
- Disney donates $2 million to support humanitarian relief in Israel and Gaza Strip.
- Disney increases prices, partners with TikTok for 100th anniversary celebration.
Disney patents, new attractions, and resort updates.
- Kelli and Chris discuss Disney’s patents for immersive drive-in theater and robotic ride vehicle transfer.
- Disney’s patents could enhance customer experience and efficiency for curbside pickup and ride experiences.
- Chris and Kelli discuss the upcoming nighttime spectacular at Epcot, featuring fireworks, music, and lights.
- Disney Vacation Club has applied for timeshare licenses to sell new cabins in Fort Wilderness, which are pet-friendly and similar to those sold by Bali.
McDonald’s new menu items and Christmas events at Hollywood Studios.
- Kelli and Chris discuss a new McDonald’s in Paris, with Kelli expressing concern about the long lines and Chris sharing his experience of waiting 30 minutes for food.
- Chris describes the McDonald’s as the most technologically advanced he’s seen, but notes that the service is slow and people are rude for fries.
- Chris and Kelli discuss their preferences for a burger at De Luxe burger, with Chris preferring the beef wellington burger and Kelli wanting a double bacon cheeseburger.
- Kelli wants to embrace the Christmas spirit and attend the new event at Hollywood Studios, Jolly Wood Nights, but it needs the Osborne Family Lights to be perfect.
Holiday food and drink options at Disneyland.
- Kelli is excited about the Jingle Bell, Jingle Bam nighttime spectacular (0:19:15)
- Prices for food options at holiday events are not listed on the Disney Parks blog website (0:20:00)
- Kelli excitedly lists various festive food and drink options at a holiday market, including a spicy pimento Kim Chi dip and a plant-based Mexican hot cocoa cheesecake.
- Kelli and Chris discuss various food items at a holiday market, including a spicy Korean chicken funnel cake and a meatball and polenta dish.
- Kelli orders a tiramisu puff, which combines sweet and savory flavors with espresso chocolate and coffee-infused custard.
Unique holiday menu items at Disney’s Hollywood Brown Derby.
- Chris and Kelli discuss holiday menu items at the Trolley Car Cafe and Hollywood Brown Derby.
- Kelli and Chris discuss a unique holiday menu and Nightmare Before Christmas.
The making of The Nightmare Before Christmas, including secrets and facts about the movie.
- Tim Burton wrote a poem about Jack Skellington and his ghost dogs, which became the movie The Nightmare Before Christmas.
- Chris explains how Henry Selick directed The Nightmare Before Christmas, despite Tim Burton’s involvement.
- The film’s set included hidden passageways and secret rooms for animators, with 120 artists working on the movie.
The making of The Nightmare Before Christmas, including the involvement of Tim Burton, Henry Selick, and the use of art styles from
- Chris and Kelli discuss the creation of Jack Skellington’s costume in Tim Burton’s “The Nightmare Before Christmas,” including the decision to give him eyes despite Disney’s resistance.
- Henry Selick made changes to Jack’s costume during camera testing, adding pinstripes and a bow tie, which Kelli and Chris praise as a great addition.
- Artists Ronald Searle and Edward Gorey’s styles influenced Nightmare Before Christmas’ visuals.
- Chris and Kelli reminisce about their Halloween costumes and SCF ADP podcast.
- They encourage listeners to leave reviews and visit SCF ADP for more Disney content.
Jollywood Nights Foodie Guide: https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2023/10/disney-eats-foodie-guide-to-brand-new-disney-jollywood-nights/
- https://blogmickey.com/2023/10/disney-partners-with-tiktok-to-create-first-of-its-kind-content-hub-celebrating-disney100/
- https://blogmickey.com/2023/10/disney-announces-initial-homebuilders-for-cotino-a-storyliving-by-disney-community/
- https://blogmickey.com/2023/10/disney-patents-immersive-drive-in-theater-to-pass-the-time-while-you-charge-your-car-or-wait-for-curbside-pickup/
- https://blogmickey.com/2023/10/disney-patents-robotic-transfer-of-ride-vehicles-between-two-different-ride-systems-during-attraction-experience/
- Magic Kingdom
- Resorts:
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- D23 Expo
- Disneyland
- Disneyland Paris
- World Showcase
- Happy 30th Birthday to The Nightmare Before Christmas!!
- https://www.sideshow.com/blog/seven-spooky-secrets-behind-the-making-of-the-nightmare-before-christmas/
- 7-ish Secrets of this classic!!
- Thank you to Sideshow.com for the help with this one.
- The Movie was based on a poem… written by Tim Burton
- While working as an Animator at Disney (already with the things Chris didn’t know)…. He wrote the three-page poem, which was a parody of Twas The Night Before Christmas.
- Do you know the actual name of that Christmas poem? “A Visit from St. Nicholas”
- While at Disney he was experimenting with alternative methods for storytelling. SO he and a colleague, Rick Heinricks, developed storyboards and concept art for the Characters of the poem, Jack Skellington and his ghost dog Zero. Sometimes they would get help from fellow Disney animator Henry Selick.
- Production on a major motion picture began in 1991, but took 120 artists 2 years to bring the moview to fruition.
- While working as an Animator at Disney (already with the things Chris didn’t know)…. He wrote the three-page poem, which was a parody of Twas The Night Before Christmas.
- The Poem was inspired by Seasonal decorations
- Burton grew up in So Cal.
- He said he often could only track the change in seasons based on the decorations people put up in and around their homes, or shopping centers etc.
- He was struck by the colliding of decorations in the stores between Halloween and Christmas, which eventually coalesced into his poem.
- Tim Burton did not direct the movie
- So the guy that chipped in some ideas during the storyboarding phase, Henry Selick… he directed.
- Tim Burton had already committed to directing Batman Returns… the sequel to the huge 1989 blockbuster, Batman.
- This was Selick’s feature length directorial debut.
- He describes his creative vision in general as being from the same planet, possibly the same neighborhood as Burton.
- He went on to direct James and the Giant Peach, and Coraline.
- The set included secret passageways for animators.
- The set included 19 soundstages and over 200 model sets.
- The artists could roam about under the set and pop up through trap doors to manipulate everything from large actions and movements to changing facial expressions.
- Disney wanted Jack to have eyes.
- Disney wasn’t super excited about the movie at the start, feeling like the darker subject matter might not work with their target audience – which is partly why they ultimately released it under their subsidiary, Touchstone Pictures.
- Still… Disney execs had notes, one of which was to give Jack’s empty eye sockets a pair of friendly eyes.
- Burton and Selick disagreed and moved forward with their vision despite a long held foundation rule of animation being that eyes of the character are one of the best tools to connect with the audience.
- In an interview, Burton explained: “The first rule of drawn animation is that you have to have eyes for expression. I thought it would be great to give life to these characters that have no eyes. Disney really fought for us to give Jack these friendly eyes instead of dark holes but we wouldn’t budge.”
- Jack’s suit was originally all black.
- Early camera testing though showed that Jack blended into the background of Halloweentown a bit too much.
- Henry Selick gave Jack a makeover that included the pinstripes to his outfit.
- Artists Ronald Searle and Edward Gorey were hugely influential.
- In the documentary, The Making of TNBC, it’s explained that the art directors wanted everything in the movie to remind viewers of turning through pages of a pop-up book where the visuals were throwbacks to the pen & inks styles of Searle and Gorey.
- Ronald Searle, among so many other things, was a satirical cartoonist for the New Yorker.
- Edward Gorey was a writer, an artist, and a playwright. He even was a Tony for Costume Design. Like Searle, he also publish books of his drawings.
- The art directors for TNBC worked super hard to bring their styles into the sets, scenery, and overall feel of the movie.
Episode Transcript:
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Welcome aboard Disney fan. Hello out there Disney fam. Welcome to the Supercalifragilistic awesome Disney podcast. My name is Chris.
Kelli 0:38
And I’m Kelly.
Chris 0:39
Kelly’s wearing her Miss Piggy ears
Kelli 0:43
I am and honestly it’s it’s for the era. These are these are on era that? Yeah,
Chris 0:52
I’m sure we’ll figure it out once you get into your site. But they’re delightful. They’re cute. They’ve got pearls. They’ve got a bow. They’ve got jewels. Yeah. Little things are very pink and lavender on
Kelli 1:03
era. This is the era Yeah. Hey, honey, did anybody listen to us this way? Yes,
Chris 1:09
they did, because they do every week because they’re amazing. In particular, this week, we had downloads from Champaign, Illinois, home of the University of Illinois ally and i Ooh, who’s football team when they played in Nebraska a few weeks ago, set football back 40 years. But that’s okay. The people in Champaign are fantastic. And they’re probably listening to our podcasts to get overall the this was about their football program.
Kelli 1:35
And our stew.
Chris 1:38
Blaine, Minnesota, 70,000 fine folks in the Minneapolis metro area. That’s cool. Blaine, not playing Blaine, nothing but wondering, wonderful are the people in Blaine? Like a combination of bling and wine? Yeah, that’s right. Exactly what
Kelli 1:57
Blaine, yep.
Chris 1:58
Right. Good one. Kansas City, Kansas, where Taylor Swift boyfriend plays football. Oui. Oui, I’m surprised we’ve never had Kansas City. We’ve had lots of places around Kansas City. I did a lot of looking. And lastly, Bournemouth England, coastal resort town in the south of England, home of the cherries of the Premier League.
Kelli 2:21
Okay. The cherries
Unknown Speaker 2:23
cherries. It’s weird. Yeah,
Chris 2:25
they’ve got interesting mascot names.
Kelli 2:29
That’s interesting. Like the fruit. The fruit? Yes,
Chris 2:32
I guess it’s probably not probably some long backstory around that. But they’re gonna list the cherries
Unknown Speaker 2:38
right now. Great. It’s interesting.
Chris 2:40
But you know, they’re in the Premier League. So we’ve got that going for them.
Kelli 2:47
Give us the news on.
Chris 2:50
Okay, so obviously, we’re all aware of the of the struggle and strife taking place in the Middle East right now in and around Israel and Palestine, Gaza Strip, et cetera. Disney’s not immune to that news. So they released the following statement. In the wake of the horrific terrorist attacks targeting Jews in Israel this past weekend, a couple weekends ago. We must all do what we can to support the innocent people experiencing so much pain, violence and uncertainty, particularly children, said Bob Iger. We condemn these attacks, the hate murder the May motivated them and all the acts of terrorism and we will continue to working to find more ways to provide support in the region to honor the victims, their families and all those who are affected by this war. To that end, Disney donated $2 million in support humanitarian relief in the area $1 million, to the Magen David to Magen David Adom, an affiliate of the International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent societies that provides emergency medical and blood banking services in Israel and $1 million to other nonprofit organizations working in the region particularly those focused on providing aid to children I mentioned that’s the alien that’s going to the Gaza Strip. Yeah. So yeah, 2 million good on them $2 million Universal Orlando was granted special district comp a was granted a special district and much like the former Reedy Creek district district for upcoming epic universe theme park. The Board of Supervisors for this particular board will be made up entirely of universal employees that’s fine isn’t it? And that’s something that’s an interesting way to go citing not not biased in any way doesn’t seem like it the Shingle Creek transit and utility community development district because they keep coming up with
Speaker 1 4:46
longer and longer names. Is everything on a creek there it
Chris 4:49
seems like it yeah, okay. The mainly this is to support light rail from the airport Orlando International to universal Okay. So good for them Watch your backs
couple weeks ago was it appeared to be price increase week at Disney. So annual pass passes increased in price. A lot of the fixed price menus around Disney World increased their prices so lots of price hikes the parking pricing went up waterpark ticket prices went up mini golf ticket prices went up and Memory Maker prices went up to the kind of always just blows I know there’s two of them Fantasia gardens and another one
Kelli 5:45
we’re just saying we
Chris 5:46
should we’ll do it next time. We have time we won’t find out if we have time we won’t do it Yeah, cuz that sounds relaxing and you don’t want to do relaxing things all day Park hopping returns on January the ninth all that Yes. Park reservations not doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. But you know, hey, we’re increasing prices on everything. So we will hop on hoppier tails all over the place if you want to whenever you want. Free Roam. So yeah, I prices have gone up. Interesting. Not shocking. Disney is partnering with tick tock to create a first of its kind Content Hub celebrating Disney 100 Did you see this? I did not. Yep, tic tic tock announcement is beginning on October the 16th and honored Walt Disney’s company’s 100th anniversary we’re giving the passionate community of Disney enthusiast on our platform, a first of its kind destination within tick tock that invites Disney fans to a unique interactive experience where stories magic and memories come together. Fans will be able to watch videos from across Disney’s brands create their own videos with Disney music and effects, play Disney trivia and collect, collect and trade character cards of their favorite characters to win unique profile frames to show their fandom. Interesting. Yeah. So it’s an interesting way to go. Yeah, it is.
Kelli 7:09
I mean, I’m not a tech talker. But yeah,
Chris 7:13
I like it. I like what they’re doing there. Sure. Um, let’s see. izany announced the initial home builders for Cuttino a storybook living or a story living by Disney community. You remember this? Twice. So the announcement was the first story living by Disney community could TiVo Cuttino rather, is announcing che homes. We’re very familiar with Shay homes, Davidson communities and Woodbridge Pacific Group as its first home builders, each recognized for their industry experience and outstanding quality. These home builders will bring their passion and expertise to the Catina community. Cool. So that’s going to be I read a little bit more about that community and we’d love to live there one day. Yeah, that sounds fun. This is cool. Disney patents and immersive drive in theater to pass the time while you charge your car or wait for curbside pickup. This was actually two patents that they’ve released. One is like say you you pull up to a charging station, you’ve got electric car you pull up to a charging station, you would pull into this pod. And the inside of the pod is all like immersive screens. And then and then they they show you a movie or show you a short or Disney short or whatever. While you’re charging your car. Or while you’re like maybe a restaurant invest in one of these there was a drive in pod. The other one works like a drive drive thru carwash where it pulls your car through a tunnel and you’re immersed in story while you’re going through that tunnel and
Kelli 8:49
is that charging as well or that’s Oh no this is
Chris 8:51
like this is it’s a wash no this is not a wash this is say if a restaurant wanted to invest in this for curbside pickup right they could they could put that in their in their lot in their space on their to expensive offer and offer an entertainment option as you wait for your food. Wow We’re just at the patent stage I think someone else comes up with this idea Disney can just take the money Oh, they also patented this this is very cool a robotic transfer of ride vehicles from one track to another so a they could this opens the door to developing two completely different ride experiences using the same car if you’re if you you’re in a car and you you go through one type of experience and then they move you from one track to another track to experience this back half of the ride. But more more likely initially this is going to allow for things like those passengers who need more help getting into a ride car ah They can go ahead and get into a ride car and then it would then it would try it would put them on from one track to another track the live try the live production trial so that a it makes life a little bit easier for them. And it also keeps the ride moving a little more quickly. Right. So
Kelli 10:18
fascinating.
Chris 10:19
Yes good things people are always thinking about things. Yeah. Lumina starts up in a couple of weeks, actually more than a couple of weeks December the fifth I think is when it’s supposed to launch so but they have added luminous to the Disney website so like as a you could this is an attraction or this is a show that we will be offering. And their announcement reads like this feast your eyes on the all new nighttime spectacular as it lights up the sky over the World Showcase lagoon. A sparkling spectacle delight in the dramatic show designed to bring us all together marvel at dazzling pageant’s of fireworks fountains music and lights set to an original composition. New Music along with evocative selections from the Disney songbook come together to remind us that we are more alike than we are different. This feels like harmonious just without the big circle in the middle.
Kelli 11:14
It really does. I’m going to be interesting to see what they do with the with the mobile barges we still have barges that just come in and out we think we’re air quoting mobile barges are just not okay with barges being in the lagoon cannot have a barge there that is just as
Chris 11:29
good that get that bar I saw a bar is out of the water. Whatever.
Kelli 11:33
It’s gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.
Chris 11:36
It is looking forward to we’re gonna get to see it. We will. Okay, narc koozies reopened after another refurb on October the 13th
Kelli 11:49
this is the most refurb restaurant in the world. I know but Dark Horse it gets great revere does
Chris 11:53
it really does. We’ve only ever eaten there I think during a crawl right we did like a monorail holiday crawl I think and we stopped in in our cruces for meal. Yeah. Yeah. Delightful. Hi Disney Disney Vacation Club has applied for timeshare licenses to sell the new fort wilderness cabins. Okay, so these are like these are some are pet friendly. These are actual cabins in Fort wilderness. They’re they’re read they’re building all new ones. And Disney Vacation Club has asked for the ability to sell these as timeshare just like Bali does.
Kelli 12:30
Okay? All right. That’s interesting.
Chris 12:32
The cabins are supposed to be great.
Kelli 12:34
Sure they’re lovely. Not gonna say they’re no word cabin doesn’t doesn’t evoke feelings of vacation for me.
Chris 12:46
Sure, okay.
Kelli 12:46
It evokes bugs and mosquitoes.
Chris 12:50
Little I gotta get to the most important item. I gotta get to the most important exotic. Disneyland Paris is going to be opening a new McDonald’s.
Kelli 12:59
Gosh, look, we need to post a picture of you at that McDonald’s. No took because you look so beat down. It was an experience out of that McDonald’s. It was. It was disastrous. It was you were gone for like 30 minutes. And you came out with a bag of fries and it looked like somebody had just taken a baseball bat. And it was see the ever loving.
Chris 13:22
It was harrowing. It was it was an experience to be sure there’s a lot going on in there a lot. I don’t want to talk about not ready. I’m not ready yet. It’s a little too soon. I haven’t processed everything I saw in there. Yeah, the way people treat each other for fries is so disturbing. It was it was I had to say I was worried this is about you all that said this was the most technologically advanced impressive on the inside. McDonald’s I’ve ever seen in my life, but it took you forever but it is under it is it is not enough what what they have in there is more than any other McDonald’s on the planet. But it’s not enough.
Kelli 14:05
I tell you what, they open up a Chick fil A half that rotech And they would get people in and out of there like clockwork maybe.
Chris 14:15
But that’s not how McDonald’s rolls and so McDonald’s needs a bigger McDonald’s with more of what they’re already offering there. And it looks like they’re gonna do it. I’ve never seen anything like this thing is going to be multi level. It’s got it’s got two sets of outdoor balcony seating. They need they need they need it. They really need it
Kelli 14:35
seen anything like it? I mean, I know I sat on like this little brick wall next to a building, you know away from it because I was like, I don’t want to get any closer. Yeah, there was there was outdoor seating. I assume indoor seating. I didn’t go in. But I was like, Yeah, I don’t want to get closer. I want to I want to be as far away from that McDonald’s as possible. And then when I saw your face, I was like, good call me The best decision I’ve made
Chris 15:02
it was a really strong decision. Well, I know that we’re way past one last thing is hugely important to De Luxe burger might be where we have to go when we go back and
Kelli 15:12
said that so many times honey because they have the milkshakes.
Chris 15:15
And I you know how I am about a burger and you love your vice ready to buy stuff. The beef wellington burger to press signature blend patties crispy prosciutto mushrooms, green gear, horseradish aoli on an earth puff pastry,
Kelli 15:32
you’re not gonna get it you can go in and get a double bacon cheeseburger. That’s
Chris 15:35
what I’m gonna get this.
Kelli 15:37
It’s you’re not gonna get a double bacon cheeseburger, and I’m gonna say you remember how you said you could be willing?
Chris 15:45
Voice for me?
Kelli 15:46
Say, leave me alone.
Chris 15:50
I might get that. But I’ll get this beef wellington burger for 1399 Do
Kelli 15:56
you are gonna get a bacon double cheeseburger all day long and twice. What’s
Chris 15:59
probably gonna happen is that we’re headed up at homecoming anyway, but yeah, this thing was really good.
Kelli 16:05
And I’m gonna be like, maybe we just gonna get a shake. And then we’re going to leave homecoming and be like, No, we’re just so miserable. I can’t get shake
Chris 16:11
with our with our shanties and stuff. Are you ready for Tomorrowland? I’m ready. All right. Sure. Hi, Hannah. So when I said it’s on era, yeah, nobody, none of us knew what you’re talking about. Right? Okay,
Kelli 16:25
so I’m talking about like, can’t you picture Miss Piggy in this outfit? In like 1950s 1960s Hollywood?
Chris 16:33
Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. It’s very Audrey Hepburn. That’s what
Kelli 16:37
Yes. Thank you. Audrey Hepburn is very Audrey Hepburn. Thank you. Yes. That’s what I am. It’s on era. Okay. So I’m just gonna go ahead and embrace the Christmas in the world. Go for it. Whatever. I’ll be speaking next week joy, but I needed to talk about jolly wood nights. This is a new event at Hollywood studio. And I’m gonna go ahead and put it out there. If this if this event we’re going to be perfect. It would need one more thing. Okay. Oh, okay. It needs the Osborne family law. Yes,
Chris 17:08
facts. Oh my gosh, facts,
Kelli 17:11
but it doesn’t have that. So this event is slightly less than perfect. But here’s what I’ll tell you. It is a new event at Hollywood studios on 10 Select nights from November the 11th through December the 20th. Typically, it’s very interesting number. It’s typically on Saturdays, Mondays and Wednesdays there is a separate ticketed event from 8:30pm to 12:30am. Which is cool. You don’t get ever set Hollywood she is trying to try and you can enter as early as 7pm. So things like 5060s Hollywood party. The first two dates have already sold out course and these tickets are 159 to 179 each depending on if it’s on a popular day or whatever. So I’m going to read for you the description. This new nighttime soiree will feature plenty of swanky spots for you to enjoy like the holiday Fiesta in Le Ke. Over on commissary lane. The streets will be filled with Latin holiday tunes, colorful decor and plenty of eats and sips inspired by Latin holiday traditions for a vibrant and lively party. That’s cool. You can also experience jazzy holidays at the Hollywood Brown Derby. As the restaurant transforms into a smooth jazz joint. It’s cool playing Hollywood tune holiday tunes amidst sparkling decor. You can sip craft cocktails and indulge in an exclusive menu of light bites while enjoying the music and ambiance of this classy establishment. It is classy. You can even drop by the dazzling Twilight soiree at the Tip Top Club, a swinging soiree the courtyard of the Hollywood Tower Hotel. A live band we bringing the fun with holiday tunes and jukebox style as you sip on fancy cocktail. That’s cool. There is also a musical variety show featuring some of your favorites like Kermit the Frog and Miss Biggie and the seasonal nighttime spectacular jingle bell Jingle Bam okay,
Chris 19:12
you’re so excited about the Jingle bell, jingle jingle
Kelli 19:14
bell, Jingle Bam, Bam is in all caps. I’m very excited about this. So let’s sort of break this down. So here’s the interesting thing now they’ve got all the food is tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of food. Okay, lots of food. All different types. You know what have you none of these items have prices on the Disney Parks blog website. And so I had to really really go down quite the rabbit hole here. Okay. But I couldn’t find prices anywhere. Now. I do not believe not for one second that this is included in your ticket. Not for one millisecond. Do I believe that okay? But there is plenty of options for you to try. So holiday Fiesta in LA coyote ABC commissary. So this is in Lakota. So this is going to be in the street at ABC commissary. So chicken empanadas with street corn? Yes. Old Yuka crunchy chowder own. This will be fried pork belly Yuka red pickled onions and a chili pepper lime seasoning with a yellow pepper aoli and mush mushroom taco. I’m pretty excited about that chili roasted mixed mushrooms avocado crema, baby gem lettuce and garnish with sliced radish that is a plant based item. I’m not going to go through all the food we don’t have time for that. They also have a Mexican hot cocoa cheesecake. Oh which is a spiced chocolate cheesecake on a chocolate cookie base topped with vanilla whipped cream and cocoa powder with a chocolate handle please
Do you see what I’m saying? We have plenty of non alcoholic and zero proof drinks they have as your proof pina colada that looks amazing. Over at the baseline Taphouse you can get tuna Sivvi che which looks phenomenal marinated ahi tuna pico de gallo and avocado cream topped with cilantro strong me and that is get this a shark history cup. This looks so cool. So imagine like a short martini glass Okay, man Chango Cerrito Serrano ham pickled vegetables olives and toasted focaccia bread like all in a in a cup like like a portable charcuterie board. Yes. Over at the dockside diner you have a spicy pimento Kim Chi dip Wow with chives and serve with fresh House made one ton chips. That is not a plant based item which I find interesting because I can’t figure out what would not be plant based there unless the one time chips or maybe fry something different. The cool thing that you’ll see in all the pictures are the Christmas tree cookie stack. This is a vanilla cookie stack filled with pistachio buttercream so think like a large shortbread biscuit with green buttercream a smaller shortbread biscuit green buttercream a smaller shortbread biscuit ends
Chris 22:11
up looking like a trade trade of trees.
Kelli 22:16
Yes, yes. Yes. Has cranberry raspberry jam topped with sprinkles and a yellow candy star. Very cute. Sandy Claus hot cocoa This is from Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas. This is inspired dark chocolate hot cocoa topped with cherry whipped cream that’s Coholic It looks amazing, but it also sounds like it would go so good with something alcohol well you’re gonna want the naughty or nice which is the Crown Royal whiskey and ginger mixed with orange cranberry and grapefruit juices taught with fresh cranberries actually, maybe you’re not maybe I’m just going to want that. Yeah, maybe it looked really cool. So dioxide Donner has other things too. Like poutine tots and roasted England. Yes a way to go that didn’t get to Epic eats another Korean dish a spicy Korean chicken funnel cake. Right spicy fried Korean chicken with pickled vegetables served on a mini very out there isn’t it? So epic eats has three different funnel cakes they have a brisket Reuben fun okay, what’s the Korean chicken photo cake and then the scores. Okay, I know some really cool stuff that I’ve never seen. I’ve never seen anywhere else. Yeah, busy at Fairfax fair. They have a holiday turkey popover so this is roasted turkey and creamy mashed potatoes topped with gravy Cranberry Chutney and chives and a house may pop over. But here’s the one here’s the one for me, honey. This is me. It’s called a just the sides pop over. So this pop river has macaroni and cheese collard greens and cornbread crumbs. I know I’m so excited about that one. They also have a PB and J donut. Mistletoe Martini I mean some really cool stuff at gurneys. Ice Cream of extension. This is where you’re gonna get the Christmas Gertie cookie. So there’s a girl the dinosaur cookie with a with her Christmas hat on her Santa hat nice. You can also get that with a mint softserve she looks totes adorbs the market has some several things going on pizza Rezo is where it’s at for you honey, they have a meatball and polenta this is just a giant meatball with marinara sitting on top of a creamy cheese polenta. Oh yes. Looks. That’s
Chris 24:36
right. You’re right. That is for me.
Kelli 24:38
I’ll have the tiramisu puff, which is sweet and savory with flavors of espresso chocolate and coffee infused custard with a mark mascarpone cream.
Chris 24:48
Oh man. I know really bringing it I know
Kelli 24:51
the trolley car Cafe has an ornament mousse. There are gingerbread bites, which which looks like gingerbread croutons that you can get like in a bag Okay, a sugar cookie martini, which looks amazing. And then over at the Hollywood Brown Derby, your jazzy holiday is oyster Rockefeller. Okay, and this has spinach foam, shaved Parmesan Ricado pepper relish and a salmon caviar, not your traditional Rockefeller. Oh, it’s not crispy duck drumettes a charcuterie board. This charcuterie board though has housemade cured meats and accompaniments, a blue cheese mousse and toasted sourdough, shrimp cocktail Derby sliders tuna carpaccio pork belly bow, a tofu bow, and then an assortment of classic cocktails. So the jazzy holidays, the Brown Derby is supposed to be small eats Okay, now, right? So you can get multiple things. And the idea is like you’re there listening to this cool holiday jazz with these little handheld eats and what have you. I think personally, it will be a great time for them to have like a holiday Margarita flight because they do a great Margarita flight. But that’s not on the menu. But I tell you, this would be enough to get me to go like during the Christmas time because it just seems so cool. Yeah. And it’s this new and it’s different. Just
Chris 26:30
I can’t believe some of the menu items you went like such a broad range. Broad
Kelli 26:36
really reach now series. As usual. The commissary always is a dark horse always. But yeah, it sounds really really cool. Only 10 days first two already sold out yellow. No discount for the kids. It’s 159 to 179 for everybody go unless you’re less than three years old, and then it’s free.
Chris 26:57
Let’s go. So I love that day. Like we’re going to create another paid nighttime holiday event. But we’re not going to skimp we’re gonna really put our chefs out there to come up with some
Kelli 27:10
really go for it. I love it. I love the theme, the jolly wood.
Chris 27:14
Those final cakes.
Kelli 27:16
I know it’s it’s unlike any other menu I’ve
Chris 27:19
ever seen the meatball grits.
Kelli 27:21
What I know, I’m telling you it’s a very unique menu and it sounds like a really, really cool event. So all right, we’ll be we’ll be speaking next week, but I had to go jolly with nights because this opens in a couple weeks. Yeah, that’s on sale. Right? Yeah, tickets are already on sale. They’ve
Chris 27:37
already sold out. Yeah, yeah. Okay. We eight days left. Get a mother last. Okay. I don’t know why. Three years and I’m struggling with Okay, well, I’m going to maybe this will be a good segue to you from your Christmasy segment to spooky segment next week. I’m going to be talking about the Nightmare Before Christmas.
Kelli 28:05
I’m wearing you’re
Chris 28:06
wearing did Jack Skellington Indiana and me too. I am too
so it is ready to feel old. Oh gosh. 30 years of The Nightmare Before Christmas. It released in 1993
Speaker 1 28:27
have refused to hear that 9319 93
Kelli 28:31
was 9330 years ago. Oh my god. That crazy. I just can’t I can’t
Chris 28:39
Well, it’s reality tend to buy in, baby. So I got a lot of help from sideshow.com for for information on this one. I thought it was fascinating. These are seven ish secrets to the Nightmare Before Christmas. Okay, let’s have 100 secrets within secrets here right? The movie was based on a poem written by Tim Burton. Really? Yes. While working as an animator at Disney. Already, I didn’t know that. I didn’t know that either. He was working as an animator at Disney. He wrote the three page poem and it was a parody of Twas the Night Before Christmas. Yeah, the you know the like the the Twas the Night Before Christmas is actually an AKA also known as you know what it was written as? A Visit from St. Nicholas. Also known as it was the night before Christmas. This is secrets within secrets. It’s full of come from everywhere full. Yeah, so he wrote this as a as a parody to Twas the Night Before Christmas. While at Disney, he was experimenting with alternative methods of storytelling. So he and a colleague Rick Henrichs developed storyboards and concept art for the characters of the poem Jack Skellington, and his ghost dogs zero Sometimes they get help from fellow Disney animator Henry Selick production on a major motion picture version of the poem began in 1991. It took 120 artists two years to bring the movie to fruition. Was it claymation? Did they stop motion animation animation animation, okay. Second, the poem was inspired by seasonal decorations. So Tim Burton grew up in Southern California. And he says that I’ll when he was a kid, a lot of times, the only way he would know that there were changes in seasons would be the change in decorations that would go up and shopping centers or stores or people’s houses because no, there’s really no weather changes. Right, so he would see the the different decor show up in stores and, and he sort of got the idea, but eventually he was struck by the colliding decorations he would see in stores between Halloween and Christmas, which eventually coalesced into the ideas for this poem. Right. Yeah, it is kind of a cluster of Halloween and the Christmas decorations sort of intermingling together there. Excuse me. Third Secret. Tim Burton did not direct the movie.
Speaker 1 31:18
Interesting. Do you know that who did?
Chris 31:21
Well? I’m glad you asked. It’s a perfect question asked in this moment. The guy that chipped in some of those ideas from the storyboarding phase, Henry Selick. He directed interesting Yes, Tim Burton had already committed to directing Batman Returns the sequel to the huge 1989 blockbuster Batman starring Michael Keaton, right? Because he directed that
Kelli 31:44
so then is the credits does it say created by Tim Burton? Yes,
Chris 31:48
it’s the movie is Tim Burton’s right Nightmare Before Christmas, because he developed it. Yes. This was selux first feature length directorial debut. He describes his creative vision as in general being from the same planet possibly the same neighborhood as Tim Burton’s. Okay, yeah, very unique creative. It is because we all know mean Tim Burton can be out there. He’s out there, man he and the best way.
Unknown Speaker 32:12
Absolutely.
Chris 32:17
This guy, Henry Selick went on to direct James in the Giant Peach and Coraline, which kind of makes
Unknown Speaker 32:22
sense. Yeah, that feels right.
Chris 32:25
The set for the movie included hidden and secret passageways for the animators. There are 120 of these folks, right? The sets included 19 Different soundstages and 200 model sets my god the artists could roam around under the sets and pop up through trap doors to manipulate everything from large action sequences to even just changes in the character’s facial expressions. Wow.
Kelli 32:53
So Hillary would be a cool behind the scenes thing they really
Chris 32:57
well, there’s a documentary there’s a documentary is that there’s a documentary that’s out there that you could go and watch and see how they did these things. So yeah, very cool thing. But imagine the painstaking effort to like, just all the little movements of a character’s facial expression. No, I
Unknown Speaker 33:16
know. And it’s cool. They don’t really incredible the level of patience
Chris 33:19
alone that they have, right. So Disney executives wanted Jack to have eyes. Okay. Disney wasn’t super excited about the movie really from the start anyway, feeling like the darker subject matter might not work with their target audience, which is part of the reason why they ultimately released it under their subsidiary business touched on pictures. Yeah,
Kelli 33:45
it didn’t feel Disney it doesn’t it never really has.
Chris 33:50
still dizzy even though they turned it over to Touchstone Pictures, they had notes, right and one of them was to give Jack’s MTI sockets, a pair of friendly eyes. Burton and Selleck disagreed vehemently and move forward with their vision despite the long held foundational rule of animation being that the eyes of the character are one of the best tools to connect the character with the audience. In an interview, Burton explained it this way. The first rule of drawn animation is that you have to have eyes for expression. I thought it would be great to give life to these characters that have no eyes. Disney really fought for us to give Jack these friendly eyes instead of the big dark holes, but we wouldn’t budge. Big dark holes. I love that. He’s like, our guys got big dark holes. And that’s how he’s gonna be. It’s
Unknown Speaker 34:39
gotta be Yep.
Chris 34:42
So yeah, so Disney did not agree but they went with it anyway. And here we are today. It’s a classic. All right. Jack’s suit was originally all black. He had no pinstripes. But early camera testing showed that Jack blended into the background of Halloween Town a bit too much and so Henry Selick took it upon himself to give his costume makeover. I don’t know how much like what Jack’s original costume actually looked like, because the notes that I read said that the super slim fitting and tight fitting was also Henry’s doing. So I don’t know. I wonder it’d be interesting to know exactly what Jack’s original costume
Kelli 35:25
looked away. But I mean, I liked the slim Oh, the slim fitting
Chris 35:29
pinstripes with the big bat bow tie. Me. Yeah. Fantastic. Way to go, Henry. But you put your stamp on it, man.
Kelli 35:36
That’s right. You do give Henry we see you.
Chris 35:40
The last major secret here is artists Ronald Searle and Edward Gorey were hugely influential in the in the look and feel of this movie. In the documentary The making up the Nightmare Before Christmas. It’s explained that the art directors wanted everything in the movie to remind viewers of turning through pages of a pop up book.
Kelli 36:05
Oh, wow. Yeah, cool. Yes, you can see the kid totally see that yes.
Chris 36:12
Where the visuals were throwbacks to the pen and ink styles of Ronald Searle and Edward Gorey. Ronald Searle, among many other things, was a satirical cartoonist for The New Yorker. So if you go and look at some of the New Yorker cartoons that he drew, you can totally see the mayor, you can see like the influence of his drawings on these characters. But both of these guys run on and Edward published books that were just their drawings. And Edward Gorey was a writer, an artist and a playwright. He even won a Tony for costume design, and on Broadway, and like so he published books of his drawings. The art directors for the Nightmare Before Christmas work super hard to bring those drawing styles into the sets and the scenery and overall feel of the movie. Now, I would just say go out and just Google the artwork of Ronald Searle in particular. And you’re gonna see, like his stamp, you just see on all this he passed away, I think one of them passed away in the year 2001 and 11. So these are fairly contemporary, folks, and they were obviously well alive to see their influence on this movie. But if I would, I would highly recommend going out there and Googling these guys. You’re gonna pull up their art and you’re gonna go, yeah, alright, that’s what Nightmare Before Christmas looks like
Kelli 37:41
on this. Yeah, I think Nightmare Before Christmas is really interesting. It’s one of those cult favorites that I don’t think Disney has truly embraced with merch until the last few years. Agreed.
Chris 37:51
Agree. Do you think that that is our that’s that’s a pinnacle of our customer? Halloween? Right? Where were those costumes?
Kelli 37:59
I have never been prouder than I was over that bow tie. I was really proud of that bow tie I made for you. I mean, it was just so spot on
Chris 38:11
it was that we? Those were good costumes that year. We were supplying
Kelli 38:15
the pictures. I still remember how my face it. Yes,
Chris 38:20
yes with that blue
Kelli 38:20
paint. But I have never Sally. I was Yeah, I was Sally. I was when I think that along those costumes anytime somebody says like your Halloween costumes, I just think Yeah, man. I killed that bowtie. I was that bowtie really? It just really? Did. I killed it. You did?
Chris 38:40
You did a great job. You did a great job. And you’re right. There’s a paint on my face. In my hair, because I you know, I had I have a little bit of hair. But I have more than Jack does. Yeah, you do. And you’ve got actual eyeballs. We have xy balls. That was a problem. I didn’t realize how big a problem that was. But that was clearly Tim Burton hated that idea. We should find which find the pictures and posters. Put me on that Yeah. Okay, folks, that is the show for this week. We hope you’ve enjoyed it. We obviously love to do it. And so you know what to do now run out to wherever you get your podcasts, leave us five stars. If you can leave a review do that and that’s going to bring other people to the show.
Kelli 39:23
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Chris 39:44
late, but we’re getting it in there’s still got a month to go before it closes down.
Kelli 39:47
Some new birth just opens new boots, new foods.
Chris 39:51
We’ve got to do this. Yeah. Keep an eye out for that. That release later this week. Join us on Instagram at NCI EFF ADP the more conversation there the merrier and with that we will see you real soon
